Curse

Mithie · Jul 19, 2005, 02:36 PM // 14:36

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so its in-appropriate for me to call people stupid/annoying/sad, but NOT inappropriate for you to call me a snubnose (what IS a snubnose?).

A snubnose paladin is the matronized name of analyximus maripausis, a marsupial living here in the swamps of Niger. Commonly associated with the platypus, its primary diet consists of worms, river prawns, and other small swamp dwelling animals. But that's beside the point.

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two-facedness is not a good quality

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Any monk charging for "services" is pathetic in my books. If you want to get a bad rep though its up to you. Good luck.

This is the post you referred to as inappropriate and inflammatory. I honestly can't see how this can be construed as such. Anyway, this thread's been derailed. I won't contribute to the derailment any further.

Paladin_Adoni · Jul 19, 2005, 02:45 PM // 14:45

first thing to do IMO would be to join a group, tell them that you charge for your services, your good, but the payment is not up front. tell them you will continue playing in there group till the mission is done, they give up, or its simply hopeless. also explain to them that no matter how good monk is, if the rest of the group doesnt work as one, its likely to fail.

tell them that after about half way through the mission, that they should pay you then. this way, they should know if your serious or not. dont lead rush them to the middle of the mission, this would look fishy, let them lead (draw directions if they dont know) and do whatever it is a monk should do in a certain situation.

also, another good point to lay down would be "The Energy Rule" to those groups who accept your initial terms.

whats the "Energy Rule" you say? after a battle, the group waits until at least YOU are happy with your energy levels and the current health level of the group" before moving on. tell them that should they continually ignore this rule, then you will leave.

a great monk who is not only great, but nice, patient and all round friendly is a really rare thing these days (too much monk abuse by noob idiots), this type of monk (this is what you should try and become, if your not already) will impress poeple, ask them if they are a member of this or any other guild-wars forum your a member of, if they are, ask them if they wouldnt mind righting up a quick forum reply to your topic. get there forum name, and send them a IM with a link to the thread.

this will get you exposure, and also help to set your place as a legit deal.

but again for the third time, make sure YOU KNOW YOUR SH1T!

hmmmmm, swamp dwelling animals *drool*

Algren Cole · Jul 19, 2005, 02:46 PM // 14:46

-----Trapper Ranger-----

All 4 traps, QZ and Energizing Winds....I'm an asinine prick that hasn't figured out the fact that gold is useless and a solid community of people helping eachother without any expectations of gold transfer is what this game really needs. if you require my services I run all mission for 500plat...and I'm usually a dick about it. I'll call you a noob and harass you while I set traps and pull mobs. If you want my services email me: [email protected]

Paladin_Adoni · Jul 19, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48

^ your email address doesnt work...

Calimar · Jul 19, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Ok, don't get me wrong and read to the end please

1) "a job only no other one could do" - well, yes but so is just about any other profession. The only reale difference is that it is a profession that is less appealing than others, so that out of 8 players, it's less than 2 that take the profession. Also, Alesia works good enough for most missions up to Moladune - bar the ascension tests, I didn't try those with henchies (yet).

2) Imperfect information: You have to build a reputation. The best monk I've seen so far is an Italian called "Eroe di Dio" - I instantly added him to my list. I later discovered just about everyone in italy knows him. Why? Well, you remember those players that are *good*. And you tell your friends "hey get him, he's great". Then you "perfect" the imperfect information - rumors travels fast in these communities, especially between people that play at the same time that you do.

Sure tho, I'm not going to accept a charger in my group unless he pays. I'll always have a group from my guild, so I'm rarely in NEED of a monk. One that charges might be, at times. That's the other side of the coin.

Pick your number, take your chances

DiAnna · Jul 19, 2005, 03:00 PM // 15:00

"Charge for services." Bah. This is one reason why I had to be dragged kicking and screaming back into another MMORPH after having seen how some folks in EverQuest would abuse other gamers by charging hefty fees, and using underhanded methods like coaxing low-level characters into dangerous areas, then demanding payment to get them safely out since they knew these poor newbies would never be able to safely return for their corpses.

I chose Guild Wars because it was possible to solo much of the game using henchies... who do not, BTW, have an over-inflated sense of their own self-worth and who do not lay awake nights contemplating ways to make money off of their fellow gamers. Clearly, however, there will always be ways to rip people off and there will always be people anxious to line their own pockets by doing so.

Now we have discussions of how much Monks should charge to keep their teammates alive. Unbelievable. Color me bitter, but threads like this leave a foul taste in my mouth.

(Yes, I saw your demand that those who don't agree with charging for services not post, but guess what? I don't take orders from bossy, greedy monks about what I can and cannot say on a public forum. Unless said bossy, greedy monk is also a forum Mod...

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Lorelei · Jul 19, 2005, 03:01 PM // 15:01

I would pay you 1 gold for your service

I have nothing against beggars, but I despise beggars who asked for a set price

Darksci · Jul 19, 2005, 03:23 PM // 15:23

Thanks (Most of you) for some constructive comments. I'll try to do use those ideas.

As for those people who are against charging:
I don't care what you think to be honest. I'll leave you with something i heard being shouted out at thunderhead keep where my ranger was trying to get into group.
"NEED A F***** MONK TO FINISH THIS ****** MISSION"
"Group of 6 looking for 2 monks"
"We just need ONE monk to enter mission"
"Will give 1K to a monk to help us complete this mission"
etc

Also i'll say that this to me, is just the same as running people to forge. Your either with it or against it. But no one cares either way, since theirs always people out there who are willing to pay to get rushed.

And in regards to those who KEEP CHANGING THE SUBJECT and say:
"OMG! CHARGING SUCKS! U SUCKS!!!!1111" (gross exaggeration).
Well do i goto your thread about "Selling Super pownage 10-20 purple sword"
And reply "No it sucks"
OR a thread:
"Where can i find Prince Rurik?"
and reply
"Up ur nose"

No i wouldn't do that. So next time, read the damm thread before you post. Because I was asking a question there, and some suggestions. Why should I (the thread creator, who wants some suggestions) have to deal with the load of crap which some people write.

(Sigh) next time, if i want a question answered or some suggestions i'll just call the thread title "NEED SUGGESTIONS OF IDEA, DON'T REPLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE SUGGESTIONS OR CANNOT READ A THREAD TITLE"

Algren Cole · Jul 19, 2005, 03:26 PM // 15:26

you're contributing to the downfall of the Guild Wars community...you're charging gold simply because you chose to be a monk...you CHOSE to play that class...asking for a monetary return for your "services" is a joke.

Epinephrine · Jul 19, 2005, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by Darksci

(Sigh) next time, if i want a question answered or some suggestions i'll just call the thread title "NEED SUGGESTIONS OF IDEA, DON'T REPLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE SUGGESTIONS OR CANNOT READ A THREAD TITLE"

Won't work. A forum is for discussion and even criticism. Asking for only encouragement is naive - there are people who are opposed to the idea, and want to communicate that feeling. If it were simply a discourse between you and a few others that's one thing, but if a topic such as this were to grow to 30 pages in length, all positive comments etc. it would give the world the impression that it was approved by the majority of people; since the devs at ANet read these threads, it is important to voice displeasure with some ideas so that they don't look in and get the wrong idea.

If I see a thread entitled: "Petition to make GW a WOW clone - don't post if you disagree" you can bet I'll post telling them off - if I don't it will seem that people aren't opposed to it - the fact is that if you want to have a pro-only discussion, say "PM me and we can chat in PMs or emails" and then only respond to those who don't flame you.

Stev0 · Jul 19, 2005, 03:31 PM // 15:31

I want cash to cast Spells as an Elementalist/Monk.

What about my friends who have to play in a group? What kind of fees should they be asking for?

Ranger/Monk
Warrior/Necro
Lawyer/Carsalesman

I mean come on 'We Got's To Get Paid' too...

Also ... if I shell out $3000 for a monk. Can I just sit back and let monsters beat on me knowing that I am fully covered by this payment to my 'group policy'.

ingame...

*a dozen monsters beat on me like a drum kit at a metal concert while I stand admiring a tree*

Stevo: 'Whew this kinda hurts, hey Monk you seem to be slacking I'm down 4 health.'

Monk: 'Ugh! Dammit fight, I don't feel so good'

Stevo: 'Come on what am I paying you for?'

Epinephrine · Jul 19, 2005, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by Stev0

I want cash to cast Spells as an Elementalist/Monk.

Hmm. I wonder what a good memser can charge?

mrpo · Jul 19, 2005, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Originally Posted by Epinephrine

Hmm. I wonder what a good memser can charge?

LOL, from what I experienced I have to pay to play if I am not a monk trying to join a non-guild group

Po

Darksci · Jul 19, 2005, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by Epinephrine

Won't work. A forum is for discussion and even criticism. Asking for only encouragement is naive - there are people who are opposed to the idea, and want to communicate that feeling. If it were simply a discourse btween you and a few others that's one thing, but if a topic such as this were to grow to 30 poages in length, all positive comments etc. it would give the world the impression that it was approved by the majority of people; since the devs at ANet read these threads, it is important to voice displeasure with some ideas so that they don't look in and get the wrong idea.

If I see a thread entitled: "Petition to make GW a WOW clone - don't post if you disagree" you can bet I'll post telling them off - if I don't it will seem that people aren't opposed to it - the fact is that if you want to have a pro-only discussion, say "PM me and we can chat in PMs or emails" and then only respond to those who don't flame you.

i'm just annoyed by the fact that i'm just asking a question here, NOT
whether its right or wrong. I guess I have to deal with it

But anyway i got the knowledge i need.

So anyone whos against it and replies to this thread, i'll just say
"ha ha - don't care - vent out your anger, let it out"

Funny though, speaking in real life.
In some parts of the world, going to hospital is free (volunteers)
And in other parts of the world, going to hospital will cost you.
Yet people accept going to a hospital which charges, since they have the money. One could argue that a being a doctor is a profession and takes years of learning. Well the same goes for being a monk, getting to level 20 takes some time, and has a learning curve as well to be a good monk. Interesting.
I'll start a new thread, this is quite interesting actually.

MuKen · Jul 19, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42

Consider this hypothetical situation. You are in a large group of people. You all want to go to an amusement park, but the park has a rule that for every 5 of you that go in as a group, one of you has to also listen to some stupid 1hr sales pitch of theirs. Nobody wants to be that guy. So obviously, out of the very large group, less than 1/5 of the people are willing to be the 'listener'. Maybe 1/10 of them are. Thus, half of you are going to have to wait 'til tomorrow to go in.

Now, some of the people who happen to want to listen to this sales pitch offer to join random groups of people for a small fee. Is this unfair? No, because they are taking up the position that nobody else wants. If you don't like it, you can wait 'til tomorrow, that's your choice.

Monks are doing the class that is obviously less palatable to the community as a whole (as evidenced by the lack of monks). This is a service they provide to the community (providing a supply where there is a lack). Anybody that begrudges them asking something in return, all the while not making monks themselves so as to help out the community, is a prick, plain and simple.

Algren Cole · Jul 19, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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Originally Posted by Darksci

i'm just annoyed by the fact that i'm just asking a question here, NOT
whether its right or wrong. I guess I have to deal with it

But anyway i got the knowledge i need.

So anyone whos against it and replies to this thread, i'll just say
"ha ha - don't care - vent out your anger, let it out"

Funny though, speaking in real life.
In some parts of the world, going to hospital is free (volunteers)
And in other parts of the world, going to hospital will cost you.
Yet people accept going to a hospital which charges, since they have the money. One could argue that a being a doctor is a profession and takes years of learning. Well the same goes for being a monk, getting to level 20 takes some time, and has a learning curve as well to be a good monk. Interesting.
I'll start a new thread, this is quite interesting actually.

but if that doctor(in the real world) wanted someone to keep the mobs from kicking his tiny little ass into oblivion...he'd need to pay a warrior to protect him....

MuKen: your theory doesn't hold water....Pre-Sear through Trials of Ascension there are a plethora of monks looking to join parties simply to play...it's AFTER ascension that there aren't enough Monks...there are plenty of people that are playing monks they just know they can charge others for their "services" and so they sit around town and wait instead of playing.

bstripp · Jul 19, 2005, 03:44 PM // 15:44

How much can you charge, well if you ask me, 0 gc. Not that I am against it, just that there are two henchmen monks that are as good as most monks that seem to run around.

I don't know you from a hole in a wall, but in my opinion there is little market for this kind of service. Sure, you'll hit here and there, but not for much and not consistently.

Additionally, if you let someone die, they will likely ask for a refund whether or not its your fault or not.

DiAnna · Jul 19, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

My, my! I told you that I don't respond well to sullen demands by bossy, greedy monks! This is a public forum, read by experienced and newbie, developer and civilian! Just because you demand only positive, agreeable responses doesn't mean you are entitled to get them.

What you are doing, charging for basic character services, is a blight on the community. I do not want new players believing that legitimate monks charge for services, or that GW is supposed to be played that way. So I express my disapproval. I do not want ANet presuming that the main player base likes the idea of paying monks to do exactly what ANet created monks to do in the first place. So I express my disapproval.

I do not want those reading this unpleasant thread to get the impression that the selling of services is a legitimate activity, because in my opinion it most certainly is not. And I shall continue to say so!

You just don't seem to get the fact that stomping your feet, screaming in all caps and demanding that everyone acquiesce to your wishes will not work in a public forum... and will not work in real life either, for that matter. I respectfully suggest that if you are intent upon controlling the content of every thread you start, you create your own public forum and limit participants to those who will nod in agreement with your every whim. Be sure to charge them a hefty fee when they sign up, too. Money is money, after all.

Calimar · Jul 19, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

Come on.

No flames is a good rule, but did you really expect people to jump in only for positive comments? The very title you set explains very clearly that you expected people to comment on both sides. Know what to do with a flamer? Ignore him.
And what do you do with a thousand flamers? Ignore them.

It doesn't matter what they think - in this particular case you were looking for something, and you got something. Simple. What they think is of no importance for you. You flame back? Pathetic.

Mind you, I might well be one of those flamers. It's just that I do not care... why getting angry? If all the monks did charge, I'd adventure only with henchies and guildmates. I'm one of those that believe you take the reponsibility of your choices. Meaning I'd start having every *player* that has a paid monk that I remember or recognize pay to enter my groups. My guild has good monks, it never happened to me to be in NEED of one. Hell, I *am* a monk when it suits me too. If the community changes, I'll change accordingly.

Is there a need to insult people? nah. Insults only serve one's own righteousness. I'm better than you nyah-nyah and you're a jerk/ joke/ dishonest/ dimwit/ snubnose/ whatever (just quoting some things I heard here). I don't think any insult offered or perceived from someone I know nothing about will ever change my life or my opinion of myself

I'd rather pay a good mesmer, btw. Good mesmers are extremely rare, extremely difficult to play, and while one just needs some common sense to be a decent monk, even a bad monk can still save you most of the times. A bad mesmer is less than useless, it takes up a space with no added value.

JMNERHO

Mithie · Jul 19, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by MuKen

Monks are doing the class that is obviously less palatable to the community as a whole (as evidenced by the lack of monks). This is a service they provide to the community (providing a supply where there is a lack). Anybody that begrudges them asking something in return, all the while not making monks themselves so as to help out the community, is a prick, plain and simple.

That's what henchmen are for. Guild Wars is a GAME, it's a product for ENTERTAINMENT. For every monk that charges, there are 60 monks that are all too happy just to get in a group and PLAY for FUN without having to worry about some imaginary economic responsiblity.

To the person that compared playing a monk in Guild Wars to a doctor working in a hospital: yeah, because playing Guild Wars is a real life and death situation.